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  • The implication from this story is that the guy shot was in a completely different hunting party. How often does that actually happen? Usually it's mates shooting mates, is it not? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6711197/Hyped-up-hunters-make-hills-dangerous And are they usually office workers?
  • he's generalising it is usually people in the same party shooting a mate,, sinc in a lot of parks theres enough room for hunting parties to spread out and avoid running into each other too much, the park where the shooting happened is smaller than a lot of national and forest parks. and sounds like it gets a lot of hunters in it for its size, possibly from wellington. same old story, hunter doesnt identify the target correctly, and shoots at movement and or a shape they are convinced is the target they are after. the rules for getting licences need to change for hunters, they should be given better media like videos and photos that ask them to identify what they are looking at and show them how easily they can be fooled by what they are looking at, people still get shot wearing high vis when the shooter believes they are still looking at a part of the deer with the corresponding colour.... even force people seeking a gun licence to go out with a deer stalking club and require endorsement from the club before a licence is granted. and if all this costs money then pass the cost on to the ones after the licence. the damage done by hunting ammunition is pretty horrendous, it's illegal for military and police organisations to use the same ammunition, hence often one shot is often fatal, if not because of the damage but because of resultant blood loss.
  • I think you nailed it first up, waynowski. Either he saw what he was shooting, which is murder, or he didn't clearly see all of his field of fire, which is manslaughter. Up to a Judge to evaluate the circumstances, but the rifle discharged & someone died as a consequence. Someone is responsible. Stupidity shouldn't be a mitigating factor. That's why I buy hiking gear that DOESN'T look like camo.
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  • @waynowski, I'd wager the Mountain Safety Council already runs a course similar to what you describe and it'd be more involved than just media. People who presently do that sort of course voluntarily are already demonstrably interested in improving their safety awareness, so it'd remain to be seen if forcing people to attend would have a significant effect on the care that already-problem hunters would take.
  • I was shot by a stranger , my hunting mate was still in his sleeping bag when told of the accident . Lucky for me it was a fairly straightforward wound to the fleshy part of the right buttock and a week in hospital saw me right. 1960 Totara Flats , just wonder where that 52 years has gone! However there is an element of truth in Stuarts comment about inexperienced hunters ("office workers" is a phrase that does not correctly identify what Stuart is getting at) that only get out during the roar, are hyped up hearing a stag roaring (or maybe another hunter imitating a stag)and subsequently commit a cardinal sin by not checking of all the seven BASIC FIREARM SAFETY rules before they fire their rifle. Firearm accidents generally fall into two distinct classes (1)those caused by human ignorance and carelessness and (2)those caused by a mechanical failure of some part of the firearm or cartridge. Like motor vehicles,motorbikes, flying aircraft or any activity that has inherent risks , the more practise one puts in , generally the more proficient one should get at the activity(there are some who dont ever seem to learn !) Personally i dont ever hunt during the roar;my past experience has taught me a tough lesson ie you can be doing everything right yourself but someone else may not be. Someone said once "that an old goat is a wise goat , thats how he lived to be old" and that i guess is the bottom line. For any would be hunter i reccommend "The NZ Firearm Handbook" MSC manual 11 by Lynn H Harris.It may well be out of print ,but it has all the info any budding hunter(or experienced hunter) needs as far as reading goes.To become competent in the bush needs putting into practice over time what you have read. Becoming an active member of NZDA is also a very good move as they have strict rules about firearm handling , have range shoots and organised hunting with senior members.
  • if you're a hunter and you're running on adrenaline when you hear or see a potential target in the bush your thinking gets skewed, once your heart rate is above a hundred beats a minute your brain doesnt think as rationally with adrenalin you can almost be obsessed about what you are seeing, you really want to see game. you're more likely to be impulsive on adrenaline, you're more likely to be trigger happy. yo're not supposed to load a round until you've identified your target let alone release the safety, but hunters dont want to miss the potential fleeting shot or scare game by the sound of the bolt going, so they walk around with a round loaded and possibly the catch off. if i'm walking at easter its on tracks that are out in the open, a freind of mine grabbed the last bunk in a hut full of hunters, the rest of us tented, he came out a while later and said "beam me up scotty , there's no intelligent life in there" rules? what rules, i was in a hut, someone knocked over a stove and spilt fuel all over the cooking bench, hunters were in the hut, there was ammunition scattered loosely around the cooking bench next to the flames..... no not all hunters are idiots, but i've come across enough that are to be wary at this time of year in the bush
  • The area where the accident occurred looks very much like the Taunui River . There is one 6 bunk hut there, but access can be gained from several places.The only legal access to the hut is through Pirinoa Station opposite Pirinoa Store. The outcome of the investigation by the Police will be interesting. Another unnecessary death caused ,most likely by not observing the basic rules of hunting.
  • Here it is on a map, if it's where you mean, around Tauanui Hut towards the northern end. http://www.topomap.co.nz/NZTopoMap?v=2&ll=-41.388161,175.305056&z=14 It does look as if there are multiple ways in. (Over a saddle to the north-east, up the river from the south-east, around some of the ridges, etc.) I can't really imagine many hunters wanting to park their cars behind a saddle, though, if they have any expectations of shooting something. I think one of the reasons the Aorangis are so popular for hunting is that there are a number of wide rivers, streams and creeks that make it easy to walk into, or sometimes drive into.
  • less rugged and lower mountains than the tararuas as well. not as wet as the tararuas, havent been there but i'm guessing the bush isnt as dense as the western tararuas. easier proposition for hunters. some places known for good hunting can be crawling with hunters, i was in teh ureweras near ruatahuna at easter, there were a lot of hunters around on our first day, but as we went down the river away from the road, didnt see any more hunters except for a few that had flown in by helicopter.
  • Bush is ok. Regen and mixed podicarp low down with a bit of vine. But easy goibg. Beech higher up. Cant see hunters taking any route in other than up the 4wd track up the river. Tough walk in over the ranges.
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Forum The campfire
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On 9 April 2012
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